tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post8458363102703748395..comments2023-07-10T05:01:42.178-05:00Comments on The Living Room in Rogers Park: The Mind BogglesKherishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03972018983882360966noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-30344424127733827392008-08-12T19:44:00.000-05:002008-08-12T19:44:00.000-05:00At least half the comments were Mo saying the same...At least half the comments were Mo saying the same thing over and over and over and over again.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Let it go Mo, you lost.Craig Gernhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04866622431907267817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-3869196486823422072008-08-12T09:35:00.000-05:002008-08-12T09:35:00.000-05:00Mo,This ceased to be an intelligent discourse seve...Mo,<BR/><BR/>This ceased to be an intelligent discourse several days ago. You're just making noise at this point.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09891130296475627182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-70049305340327050832008-08-11T21:03:00.000-05:002008-08-11T21:03:00.000-05:00Wow, never thought this would go on so long.Been T...Wow, never thought this would go on so long.<BR/><BR/>Been There - the Gale School has offered up the Annex, plenty of folk support that solution, and Toni found at least one corporate sponsor who would entertain a grant request. Seems like a solution is in reach.<BR/><BR/>Competitive sourcing of government work is a fact of life. Attempts to competitively source federal jobs that are not Kherishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03972018983882360966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-34003484894274536852008-08-11T19:54:00.000-05:002008-08-11T19:54:00.000-05:00Well, no, we can grasp what you're saying perfectl...Well, no, we can grasp what you're saying perfectly fine. We simply disagree with it.Al Iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14312013852191097352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-467147558383591862008-08-11T19:37:00.000-05:002008-08-11T19:37:00.000-05:00From all the time you've spent on this one single ...From all the time you've spent on this one single subject, you could have recruited how many people to write checks?<BR/><BR/>and how many checks could you have collected? <BR/><BR/><BR/>funny how none of you people seem to be able to grasp the concept that you all have done enormous damage to the civil discourse and decision making process of this ward. the constant stream of ugliness has been therehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16728796662082407606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-81336603028008240742008-08-11T19:18:00.000-05:002008-08-11T19:18:00.000-05:00Mo wrote: sadly for joe, he is still the fixer of...Mo wrote: sadly for joe, he is still the fixer of all problems, the blame for all the evil in the universe. he will try to fill the gap. for which, i'm sure, he will be adequately punished.<BR/><BR/>Good grief Mo, where was he for the past 12 years? Don't you realize there are adult children that waited with every 'groundbreaking' for the building? You keep harping about the programming, keep Tonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07548624411492824387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-53452397013324186222008-08-11T15:54:00.000-05:002008-08-11T15:54:00.000-05:00rogersthanks so much for your intelligent comment ...rogers<BR/>thanks so much for your intelligent comment on this important issue.been therehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16728796662082407606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-20864337121206645732008-08-11T15:26:00.000-05:002008-08-11T15:26:00.000-05:00Jesus, Mo, you've been arguing the same dead point...Jesus, Mo, you've been arguing the same dead point for days.<BR/><BR/>Give it a rest already.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09891130296475627182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-46631700382638339382008-08-11T14:45:00.000-05:002008-08-11T14:45:00.000-05:00well, if you are one of the people who opposed and...well, if you are one of the people who opposed and stopped this program, why don't you feel a need to do the right thing? (speaking to a general you, you al can assess your own level of responsibility) this was a very destructive fight. who is going to pick up the broken glass? <BR/>here's a hint- not me. happy to donate generously when you have fixed it.<BR/>sadly for joe, he is still the fixer been therehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16728796662082407606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-2025831260536321702008-08-11T11:00:00.000-05:002008-08-11T11:00:00.000-05:00No, I don't feel compelled to donate to random cau...No, I don't feel compelled to donate to random causes based only on attempted shamings from people I disagree with. Sorry!Al Iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14312013852191097352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-3975549195907001182008-08-11T09:23:00.000-05:002008-08-11T09:23:00.000-05:00toni,it was my impression that bgc's ability to fu...toni,<BR/>it was my impression that bgc's ability to fundraise, and bring in dollars from sources outside of cpd was one of the big pluses on their side of the ledger. afaik, bgc has grant writers and fundraisers who are already doing good work. i'm sure when they locate up here they will find the many philanthropic organizations that have money available to help the kids here. <BR/><BR/>i can been therehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16728796662082407606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-50124300073847902442008-08-11T07:44:00.000-05:002008-08-11T07:44:00.000-05:00Mo - no one is clouding the issue of a park distri...Mo - no one is clouding the issue of a park district public building being outsourced - if you and Jim 'n Joe and Dorothy and Dick want the BGC - start calling their corporate sponsors.<BR/><BR/>I called one Friday - and was told to the BGC can apply for a grant as they've done in the past. This particular corporate sponsor has donated a lot of money to the BGC in the past including help to Tonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07548624411492824387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-45190575268739078932008-08-10T13:29:00.000-05:002008-08-10T13:29:00.000-05:00well, not sure how comprehensive mcl's grasp of ci...well, not sure how comprehensive mcl's grasp of city history is, but i am pretty sure that, at least at one point in time, jane addams hull house has had a similar contract. they have a large number of contracts with government agencies for a large number of issues. although this is my hobby, i think it would take a pretty long time to review every single thing that hull house has ever had. but been therehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16728796662082407606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-3260978887685397762008-08-10T12:44:00.000-05:002008-08-10T12:44:00.000-05:00Been there, you do a really good job of trying to ...Been there, you do a really good job of trying to cloud the issue by bringing in a lot of outside references that have little bearing on what really went on here. Bravo, but it remains fair to question the supposed time line, inconsistencies in what Joe has said, and whether or not this use of funding would have been appropriate. It's great that you think it's appropriate, but that's hardly a Al Iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14312013852191097352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-87404153201291795912008-08-10T11:19:00.000-05:002008-08-10T11:19:00.000-05:00the point, al, is that it is not joe's job. withou...the point, al, is that it is not joe's job. <BR/>without the history and hostility, he probably would have been happy to be a part of the process. but, it was there. he did still try. he arranged meetings. he participated. he didn't have to. <BR/><BR/>and privatization- i have a problem with it when it is a for profit company getting a monopoly, and being paid more than they are worth. when it isbeen therehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16728796662082407606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-47885579009071218622008-08-10T00:02:00.000-05:002008-08-10T00:02:00.000-05:00I think if your point there is something other tha...I think if your point there is something other than "the process failed because the alderman didn't get a hug," then you should clarify, because that's all I'm getting from it.<BR/><BR/>BTW, "the trend is outsourcing"? Fail. Sorry.Al Iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14312013852191097352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-46531131251370222562008-08-09T23:50:00.000-05:002008-08-09T23:50:00.000-05:00don't think i used the term couch critics. i do un...don't think i used the term couch critics. i do understand the process. i do understand where people are coming from. <BR/>there are just so many things about this that are bogus. <BR/>there is nothing unusual these days about contracting out government services. the city doesn't run the parking garages. the city doesn't run the food concessions in the parks. the city doesn't plant the flowers inbeen therehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16728796662082407606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-89168739682079939742008-08-09T14:05:00.000-05:002008-08-09T14:05:00.000-05:00Been there calls the people opposing the privatiza...Been there calls the people opposing the privatization of the Field House "a handful of loudmouths". But these are the people who happen to be paying attention to what is going on around here. These are the people who volunteer and show up for meetings even though she seems to deny that consistently and say they are couch critics. And even if they were couch critics, they are taxpayers and have aJocelynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13570623978361702328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-5653581156857456502008-08-08T14:29:00.000-05:002008-08-08T14:29:00.000-05:00been thereYou really don't seem to have a clue...been there<BR/>You really don't seem to have a clue or a grip on reality! The purpose of the PAC's is to be the intermediary and represent the interest of the community with regard to the parks. That means that the Alderman as well as residents should work with the PAC to deal with Park District issues. Joe has refused to do that. Further, the B&G Clubs of Chicago have 26 mclhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07338064808259059215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-4488361151393466152008-08-08T13:45:00.000-05:002008-08-08T13:45:00.000-05:00iirc, joe sent out several emails about the bgc. t...iirc, joe sent out several emails about the bgc. that multiple theories put forth by people who hate him reflect poorly is no surprise. that does not make any of them particularly valid. <BR/>here is mine- joe is a human being who finds him self vehemently hated. imho, unfairly. yet his job sometimes requires him to be a punching bag. i think that he is a pretty good sport about it. but in this been therehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16728796662082407606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-28538110960876291832008-08-08T12:56:00.000-05:002008-08-08T12:56:00.000-05:00Yet the alderman brings many other things to the c...Yet the alderman brings many other things to the community for discussion. I just received another email him today, asking for the community's input on a zoning change proposal. He didn't do that here. There's multiple theories as to why, and most of them reflect poorly upon Mr. Moore.<BR/><BR/>I see nothing wrong with helping youth. I do see something wrong with randomly assigning money without Al Iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14312013852191097352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-76040526621266970092008-08-08T12:27:00.000-05:002008-08-08T12:27:00.000-05:00that's as good a description as i can give without...that's as good a description as i can give without writing a book.<BR/><BR/>but i would like you to define a talking point here- back room dealing. <BR/>this is what i saw- someone came to the alderman with an idea, and the alderman liked it. he tried to implement it. that is what a good alderman does. apparently, the members of the PAC, were upset that the alderman did this. but, the alderman isbeen therehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16728796662082407606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-56506648618512133572008-08-08T11:22:00.000-05:002008-08-08T11:22:00.000-05:00OK, I'll bite. What specifically would BGC have do...OK, I'll bite. What specifically would BGC have done better that would have satisfied your request in this regard?<BR/><BR/>It's great to hope for more, but I feel like you're asking for a mystical feel-good bonding mechanism that is ill defined, and not necessarily an appropriate function for this park building.<BR/><BR/>You're right -- BGC in the Gale Annex is not an equal solution. It's a Al Iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14312013852191097352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-9882704773036487312008-08-08T11:16:00.000-05:002008-08-08T11:16:00.000-05:00alya know, it would take a long time to explain ex...al<BR/>ya know, it would take a long time to explain exactly what i mean, and probably someone would take offense at something, because this is rogers park. but let me take a small stab.-<BR/><BR/>being a devout atheist, i know that we got here through evolution. i think that if we look back, as best we can, at simpler cultures, and at our primate ancestors, we will see what the "baseline" of been therehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16728796662082407606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3508797.post-14079027076708439832008-08-08T10:21:00.000-05:002008-08-08T10:21:00.000-05:00Moore's email blast struck me as dishonest and rev...Moore's email blast struck me as dishonest and revisionist. I politely responded and asked for clarification, but I expect no response.<BR/><BR/>Been There, perhaps you could sign up to teach a class on "belonging"? Not sure what that actually means as far as how programming would address it to your satisfaction, but perhaps we could learn it at such a class.Al Iversonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14312013852191097352noreply@blogger.com